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Friends, Following is a list of serial numbers (and features) of Ortgies 6.35mm pistols I have observed and which have been reported to me. Please report other examples if you are able to positively confirm the serial number (even the first few digits), and also provide as much information as possible about presence or absence of 'Germany' marking, the pistol's finish, slide legend, grip.
Ortgies Semi-Automatic Pistol | |
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Ortgies 7.65 mm semi-automatic pistol with grip safety engaged | |
Type | Semi-automatic pistol |
Place of origin | Weimar Republic |
Production history | |
Designer | Heinrich Ortgies |
Manufacturer | Ortgies & Co. |
Produced | 1919 – 1924 |
Variants | 2 |
Specifications | |
Cartridge | |
Feed system | box magazine |
The Ortgies 7.65 mm pistol was a hammerlesssemi-automatic pistol produced in Germany in the years immediately after World War I, first by its inventor Heinrich Ortgies and then by Deutsche Werke. Inexpensive, but of good quality, the pistol achieved considerable success at contemporary shooting competitions[1] and, as an export product, was popular throughout the Americas.[2]
Design[edit]
Ortgies cutaway diagram
The pistol was produced in 6.35 mm, 7.65 mm, and 9 mm Kurz variants. Although not expensive, at the time it was of advanced design and high quality construction with relatively few parts, well sealed against dirt. Metal components were forged or machined, and assembly in general made no use of screws, even securing the wooden grips with metal clips, although some examples do incorporate a single screw for that purpose. The hammerless action depended on a spring-loaded striker to fire the cartridge. As in early Colt and Browningpocket pistols, the Ortgies striker also operated as an ejector as the slide traveled backwards after discharge.[1]
Unusual design features included the safety and the magazine. The safety was a lever inset into the back of the grip and, with the gun cocked, forced backward out of the grip into the 'safe' position by spring tension from the firing pin upon depression of a button under the slide. Thus, engaging the safety simultaneously reduced tension on the firing pin spring. To disengage the safety, a shooter simply would squeeze the grip, pressing the lever forward and locking it flush with the back of the frame.[1]
At least the earlier Ortgies magazines could accommodate both 7.65mm (aka .32 ACP) and 9 mm Kurz, (aka .380 ACP) ammunition and were interchangeable between pistols of either calibre. One side of the magazine was marked for 7.65 mm and featured seven holes showing the positions that cartridges of that size would occupy when loaded; the other side had similar holes and markings for 9 mm cartridges.[1] Modern replacement magazines are purpose-built for one caliber only.
Production[edit]
Ortgies-Pistols 1919–1921
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Ortgies-Pistols 1921–1924
Heinrich Ortgies designed the pistol while living in Liège, Belgium during World War I.[3] After the war, he moved to Erfurt, Germany, where in 1919 he commenced production of the pistol in his own factory. The weapons bore the mark 'Ortgies & Co. – Erfurt' on their slides and a circular brass insert in their grips marked with a stylized 'HO.' Ortgies died later that year, and eventually production of his pistol passed to Deutsche Werke, a shipbuilding company headquartered in Berlin. For a short time thereafter, the slide marking was changed to 'Deutsche Werke Aktiengesellschaft Berlin' before changing again to 'Deutsche Werke Aktiengesellschaft Werke Erfurt,' ultimately shortened to 'Deutsche Werke – Werke Erfurt.' Deutsche Werke pistols continued to feature the 'HO' brass grip inset until relatively late in their production, when they substituted one with a new trademark depicting a stylized crouching cat with long tail forming an S-curve over its back.[1]
In keeping with prevalent economics in Germany at the time, factory finishes were limited to bluing or, rarely, nickel. The latter finish could be either matte or bright. No Ortgies pistol was produced with a chrome finish or, aside from one known salesman's sample, with factory engraving.[1] Production ceased in 1924.
Performance[edit]
The Ortgies was a well-balanced, sturdy weapon that found considerable favor in competitive shooting. In 1921, prize winners at some 70% of principal shooting competitions had chosen Ortgies 7.65 mm pistols, and the winner of the German championship on September 26, 1921, at Halensee, Germany, took the prize firing an Ortgies.[1] At the other end of the user spectrum, outlaw John Dillinger carried an Ortgies,[4] and several hundred Ortgies pistols saw service with Finnish prison authorities through the World War II period.[5]
In popular culture[edit]
The Ortgies 7.65 is the pistol that Seymour Glass uses to shoot himself at the end of the short story 'A Perfect Day for Bananafish' by J.D. Salinger.
References[edit]
- ^ abcdefgKoelliker, Donald W., 'Ortgies: A Well-Known but Little Studied German Armsmaker of the Early Post-War Years,' Gun Collector's Digest 1981, accessed April 19, 2010
- ^REME Museum of Technology Internet site, accessed April 19, 2010.Archived March 8, 2009, at the Wayback Machine
- ^'Deutsche Werke – Ortgies,' Belgian Littlegun Internet site, referencing Ian Hogg and John Weeks, Pistols of the World, accessed April 19, 2010Archived July 19, 2009, at the Wayback Machine
- ^Guns and the Gunfighters, by the editors of Guns and Ammo, New York: Bonanza Books, 1975 (ISBN0-517-37154-5), dustjacket quoted at Arms2armor Internet site, accessed April 22, 2010
- ^Jaeger Platoon: Finnish Army 1918–1945 Internet site, accessed April 19, 2010.
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Gun shop or gun show. But first you will need to determine the exact model of your handgun and caliber. By the way, correct name is a magazine, not a clip.
What is the history of the Deutsche Werk Werk Erfurt single shot 22 rifle?
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What years was the 7.65mm deutsche werk werk erfurt manufactured?
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Deutsche Werke Pistols Deutsche Werke Aktiengesellschaft is the company that produced the pistol in Erfurt Germany in the 1920s. The pistol is commonly called an 'Ortgies' vest pocket pistol after its original designer. These pistols were offered in .25ACP (6.35mm), .32ACP (7.65mm), and some in .380 (9mm Kurtz). They are not very valuable or rare. Judging only from a photo published in the American Rifleman these pistols may be the same as ERMA pistols, incorporated…
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What is the value of a Deutshe Werke-Werk Erfurt 22Cal single shot rifle model 1 worth and what year was it made?
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Where can you find information on a .22 caliber rifle with markings 1 deutsche werke werk erfurt 2 mod1 3 5.4mm 4 D.R.P.germany 5 a large curvy S on the stock and the top of the firing chamber?
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my grandfather has one of those pistols he bought it at a local gun store for $85 about 50 years ago this one says 1929
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